All she said was something along the lines of please don’t do this because I find it creepy / it makes me uncomfortable / dude I just finished telling you not do to this kind of shit. And then, to quote Consider The Tea Cosy: “Accusations fly of how Rebecca hates men. Of how she’s a feminazi who doesn’t want men to ever be able to talk to women. About how men can do nothing these days without being accused of being rapists. Of how she’s making a big deal over nothing** and should Get Over It.”
Here is Dawkins’s mockery response to Rebecca’s reaction:
Dear Muslima
Stop whining, will you. Yes, yes, I know you had your genitals mutilated with a razor blade, and . . . yawn . . . don’t tell me yet again, I know you aren’t allowed to drive a car, and you can’t leave the house without a male relative, and your husband is allowed to beat you, and you’ll be stoned to death if you commit adultery. But stop whining, will you. Think of the suffering your poor American sisters have to put up with.Only this week I heard of one, she calls herself Skep”chick”, and do you know what happened to her? A man in a hotel elevator invited her back to his room for coffee. I am not exaggerating. He really did. He invited her back to his room for coffee. Of course she said no, and of course he didn’t lay a finger on her, but even so . . .
And you, Muslima, think you have misogyny to complain about! For goodness sake grow up, or at least grow a thicker skin.
Richard
Newsflash Richard: There are Muslims who are American women.
And I can fucking speak for myself, thanks. Muslim women around the globe will speak for themselves. Shut the fuck up.
It’s so convenient for you that Muslim women exist (save them!) so that you can use us to excuse your own sexism against non-Muslim Western women.
Trust me, you are not as “better” as you think you are.
Please feel free to read the post because I don’t have the patience to cover every aspect of how much of a dick good old Dick Dawkins is, and Consider The Tea Cosy is a wonderful and patient and awesome person to have done it so thoroughly.
Using sexism to excuse your Islamophobia and using Muslim women to excuse your sexism go hand in hand it appears.
the fatal feminist 
Wow wow wow.
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I LOVE when white non Muslim men try to "break it down" for us… LOL… Reminds me of a commenter on one of my recent posts, Nahida… I found myself wishing I could unleash the power that is Nahida and slap his ignorance and prejudice around a bit… Alas, I find myself at such a loss for words when situations like this arise, I kinda go into "FUCK YOU!" mode and become a troll.. Can I hire you to kick ass for me?? lol !
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In response to your tweet: "I've to give a presentation domestic violence and Islamophobia and I'm afraid I'm going to start crying or come across as an angry bitch."Tell them exactly what is on your mind, your authenticity will shine through regardless – don't deny your emotions, it's a TOUGH subject! PWEEZE do a post on how that presentation went?? :)
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@almostclever Thanks, it's tomorrow! I'll definitely try if I have time to write a post on it; my classes are coming to a close for the first session so there's exams no sleep and general yuckiness.Aaahh I totally go into FUCK YOU! mode too. I had to come back after a few minutes and type more on this post because originally I was like aifhda;fkdjaf;dkf!
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Ah, white cis het upper-class men, gotta love them when they throw their damned privilege around.But, hey, at least Dawkins doesn't have a God delusion! Which must make him all superior and everything.I'm just really getting sick of hypocritical holier-than-thou atheists these days. (To be clear, I'm talking about a subset of atheists, not all atheists.)
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Ugh, I knooowww Dawkins is such a prick!What makes it worse is that he's not the only prick who's all like, "Stop bitch' bitches, Muslim women have it worse! See what a greaaat guy I am I don't mutilate you like those terrorists! YOU'RE WELCOME YOU UNGRATEFUL SLUTS!"
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Nahida, I know you're really pissed and all, and understandably so, but do you have to use my parts as an insult? =(
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Heh, sorry oscar. =-=Can't promise it won't happen again though. -_-
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At least PZ Myers has been a class act during this whole business, so I don't have to be irritated at all the New Atheists… only the ones I disliked already.
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I honestly don't hate many people, but I really, really can't stand Richard Dawkins. I don't like extremists of any belief, and he is the epitome of a condescending, holier-than-thou asshole that needs to fucking stop putting other people down. I'm soooo glad that I have a non-Muslim white man that hates the very essence of me as a Muslim woman to "save me" from the big, bad, Mozlem men. What would I do without you? *pukes*
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I've read and watched plenty of Richard Dawkins material and I have never heard or read him say anything remotely like this. My first thoughts are that it isn't him. Doesn't even come close to sounding like him. If this was his usual schtick…it would be normal for him to say shit like this…obviously it isn't or I wouldn't be so sure it was> (not that Im the judge to end all matters but people tend to be the same thing most of the time if not all the time…this would be a one off if anything…very odd)
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coolred: You can see it here: http://scienceblogs.com/pharyngula/2011/07/always_name_names.php#comment-4295492That's a comment he typed, under his account.
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Yes, if a strange person follows you into an elevator at 4am and says that you're "interesting" and wants to spend additional time alone with you, you can just calm yourself down by telling yourself, "hey, at least he's not stoning me or whacking off my genitals! After all, I'M not one of those poor, helpless, vegetable-like Muslimas!" Yep, problem solved.
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Yeah, I was really dismayed to see Dawkins react this way. I actually liked him well enough before, but he always seemed at least reasonably enlightened on matters of gender.But this… I mean, he's appropriating the suffering of women elsewhere (women he does NOT speak for) to tell women here in the US to shut up. That's not even a normal-thoughtless-dude level of sexism, that's aggressively sexist.I honestly thought Dawkins was better than that, but that doesn't mean I'm going to make excuses for him now. Fuck you, Dawkins.
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There is another aspect to this too, and that is – to me – a crucial one:while Dawkins was calling Muslim men all the names in the book and accusing them for an infinite list of attrocities, there were no specific reactions to it what-so-ever. It is only when he turned a dirty eye on a case liften by a woman that his words became a problem. Could this be considered a minor eye-opener on the self?
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There most certainly were reactions. However, in those cases Dawkins was not attempting to use Muslim men as a footstool.
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Nahida:No actually, there were no specific reactions at all above the general religious and islamophobia issues that are generally going on – this is by comparison to the current situation. Dawkins isn’t a freshman in his field and he has a long history of offensive attacks on religion and religious people. His hateful and sexist claims towards Muslim men go back for decades and these have been very serious types of vilification. I do see this mainly as an exposé of the division between sympathies and a queer notion of justice in many communities. Probably the main one being his admirers of his school of thought.
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You know, repeating the word "general" over and over doesn't actually make things general. To accuse him of Islamophobia is a specific accusation, which arose from specific statements he made. He does indeed have a long history of offensive attacks against religious people, which is why I'm missing your point in specifically exemplifying his attacks on Muslims, and he has an equally long history of being criticized for his attacks. I'm not familiar with his claims toward Muslim men being sexist–only Islamophobic–can you point me to a quote demonstrating that they were indeed sexist as well? I have little doubt that there is a division of sympathies, and that the reason that there is outrage about this is connected to the fact that this woman is Western, but comparing it to his criticisms of Muslim men is a strange juxtaposition considering the factors involved.
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Nahida:Here’s a fresh quote, published in British media – amongst them the Daily Mail: Mr. Dawkins expressed that he feels “visceral revulsions” when he sees women wearing the burqa, or as he sees it “bin-liner thing”. This, because he sees it as a “clear symbol of oppression of women” that is “enforced by their male relatives”. Dawkins has made many hateful and sexist statements that are pointed at Muslim men, of which most are disregarded by the general (look there, another one :)) as common islamophobia. His book, The God Dellusion, portrays the Muslim man as a brainless vile and aggressive species. His following documentary on the same book-theme reassures the same thing – 2 of the most useful examples. In addition, I do agree that the continental ethnicity of the woman probably explains a significant part of the reactions, and this probably is included in the explanation that there is an internalized view that people have.
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Those seem to me sexist comments pointed at Muslim women–not men–as they are extraordinarily patronizing toward women. How exactly is suggesting that burkas are sometimes enforced by male relatives sexist against men?
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Nahida:You really don’t see the outlined male role as the robotic anti-female police whom generally (they just keep coming :)) sees it as his brainless duty to force women anywhere and everywhere to obey the clothing? You really don’t see the internalization of this male nature as a dynamics of Muslim society? Specially in the shadow of everything else he has expressed?
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No, I see it as Dawkins being a douchebag who doesn't know what he's talking about and reciting stereotypes in the name of equality when he is in no position to do so. And quite frankly, with the state of Muslim women, I have little pity for the internalization of sexism in Muslim men. I care about the racism/Islamophobia Muslim men face–and that is what I see in Dawkins's comments. Islamophobia, not sexism. Systematic Islamophobia, but not systematic sexism.
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Oh my Allah. To me this is a clear case of "agree to disagree" and I will leave it at that.
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Dawkins is an apologist for Hitler, a Christian hater, a misogynist and a eugenist. The man is a waste of skin full stop
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If you want to laugh your head off, use Google scholar to see how few peer reviewed papers this shithead has published in reputable scientific journals.
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